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Can the country really be this divided?

Published on November 9, 2004 By Genghis Hank In Politics

In New York, a man commits suicide in part because of his disappointment over the election…

In Florida, a therapist admits to treating 15 patients for “Post Election Selection Disorder”…

In Canada, the government makes an official response to the reported numerous inquiries from dissatisfied US voters seeking to move…

And now, talk of the blue states seceding from the Union?

I really don’t know what to make of this. Are we really this divided? Or did I just wake up in the Twilight Zone today? It is an election, people! Not the end of the world!

Well, there’s at least one good thing about the Twilight Zone. The Steelers managed to draft, sign, and play a good quarterback!

Comments (Page 1)

Grim Xiozan

on Nov 09, 2004

And now, talk of the blue states seceding from the Union?

Shhh, I said that comment elsewhere. I typed about how the South seceded in the Civil War because of a Republican president who got elected (Democrats were in charge of the South) and the fact that even now today they want to do the same thing and I got scoffed off at because it was "MY OPINION" (actually they said your not my).

People don't want to believe that members of their party are saying such crap.
This is complete lunacy if ever did I see some.
They need to come back to the Asylum it is lonely at meal times without them!!

Asylum Plinko, we are not crazy!!

Genghis Hank

on Nov 09, 2004

This is complete lunacy if ever did I see some.They need to come back to the Asylum it is lonely at meal times without them!!

LlamaLamp

on Nov 09, 2004

And of further interest is the sitting duck--I mean lame duck presidency Bush will now be having, as evidenced by your prior observation that everyone is expending more energy talking about 2008 than they are about the next four years. Methinks some people are having avoidance issues! Meanwhile, if this keeps up, I *may* be forced to except your premise that the media is biased towards the left. (I still maintain that MSNBC and Fox are conservative strongholds though!) Werd--LL

drmiler

on Nov 09, 2004

Reply #3 By: LlamaLamp - 11/9/2004 9:25:32 PM
And of further interest is the sitting duck--I mean lame duck presidency Bush will now be having, as evidenced by your prior observation that everyone is expending more energy talking about 2008 than they are about the next four years. Methinks some people are having avoidance issues! Meanwhile, if this keeps up, I *may* be forced to except your premise that the media is biased towards the left. (I still maintain that MSNBC and Fox are conservative strongholds though!) Werd--LL

Fox news is most definetly a conservative stonghold. But not MSNBC!

Grim Xiozan

on Nov 09, 2004

LlamaLamp I see you claiming to be a source of independent political philosophy but alas what I gather from your comment is non-independent partisan Democrat philosophy.

Bush is not failing on certain issues, war (though why he let Fallujah go until now is beyond me) and hopefully social security (with the privatization maybe we can finally turn the BLACK HOLE into a money tree for future generations), but he does fail on some that I consider important, economic ones, to be a true lame duck he would have to have done nothing at all during his presidency, alas he has done several things and continues to do several things. By the way, something tells me you have watched Fahrenheit 9/11 but have yet to watch Fahrenhype 9/11, after all is not right for independents to see both sides of an issue and not just a part of the issue?

Twilight Zone indeed.

Plinko for the Gremlins on wings of Airplanes!!

LlamaLamp

on Nov 10, 2004

Grim Xiozan,

--It is not necessary to like Bush to be a political independent. I am not a Democrat, nor have I ever been. If you like, I can give a post detailing what I see as the major failings of each party.

--I was not referring to Bush's current presidency, but rather, his upcoming term, as "lame duck". As you may know, this term usually refers to the end of a second term. Because the president at that time cannot be re-elected, he has less political clout and his policies are less likely to be enacted. When I refer to Bush's upcoming second term as a "sitting duck term" I simply mean that current speculation on candidates for 2008 seems to be overshadowing his plans for the next 4 years.

--I have never seen Farhenheit 9/11 and claim no association with Michael Moore or his ideals, knowing next to nothing about the man myself.

If you like, we may certainly continue this over at my blog (or yours!) I do love a good discussion! I hope that, in time, you will see that I am not merely swallowing one party line or another and calling it "independent" philosophy.

All's well in the twilight zone! --LL

Texas Wahine

on Nov 10, 2004

Grim, give it up . . . you're a Repub.

Grim Xiozan

on Nov 10, 2004

Grim, give it up . . . you're a Repub.

Only if you give up calling yourself a moderate.

You know I don't agree with Bush on social issues and economic ones but that does not mean because I don't agree with him that I should seek to bash him every chance I get in order to show my allegiance to or against a Pro-Bush or Anti-Bush crowd. I would instead like to look at each issue at hand than just to generalize the whole affair, and if you must talk about the war I have already addressed this from a Philosophical standpoint in my blog.

Off to bed Plinko!!

Texas Wahine

on Nov 10, 2004

Only if you give up calling yourself a moderate.

a) Never said I was a moderate. I've always claimed to be a lefty.

I'm not talking about the war, and if I were, I could do so on this thread just as easily as on yours.
c) While you say that you're a Libertarian, you swing right more than a few of our diehard Republican bloggers.
d) It's OK to admit you're a Republican. Don't be skeered.

Sweet dreams. Sleep tight, don't let the bed bugs bite!

Grim Xiozan

on Nov 10, 2004

a) Never said I was a moderate. I've always claimed to be a lefty.

You said left leaning moderate in other posts, don't lie, don't be "skeered"!!

I'm not talking about the war, and if I were, I could do so on this thread just as easily as on yours.

I was just covering all bases than just to leave something out and not have it covered.

Plus I am tired of people just going off without looking at both sides in the issue, and DO NOT GIVE ME THE LINE "You don't know because you are an armchair general, blah"
Two of my closest friends are over there right now in the lovely land of Iraq, not Afghanistan but IRAQ.

You can know no greater evil than absolute good.

c) While you say that you're a Libertarian, you swing right more than a few of our diehard Republican bloggers.

Apparently, being a registered Libertarian and the fact that you only read half of what I type not to mention you do not know me in real life, ah well what is the point in arguing over your moot point.

d) It's OK to admit you're a Republican. Don't be skeered.

I am a Former Republican, and now I am a registered Libertarian.

For one you don't see Republicans agreeing on the gay marriage issue by getting government out of it completely.
You don't see Republicans who are pro-choice buy against Federal Funding for abortions.
You don't see Republicans who want to institute a law that would give minorities proportional representation in Government.
You don't see Republicans who are adamant against Religious intolerance and are ardent defenders of Occult.
You don't see Republicans wanting a smaller government.

Why must I prove to others what I already know and close friends know about myself? I do not seek your approval of my political, social, religious life from you but yet apparently I should, hmm? Do I always question your allegiance to your allies?

Now I really need to go to bed, it is 3 AM now, ah well...

I will renew battle with thee on the morrow and hopefully by than you can pray tell why thine heart is deadset at tearing my house asunder?
- Grim Xiozan of House Stuart and House Colón

bakerstreet

on Nov 10, 2004

"For one you don't see Republicans agreeing on the gay marriage issue by getting government out of it completely."

What am I, chopped liver? For many of us it is a state's rights issue, much, much more than a moral issue.

"You don't see Republicans wanting a smaller government."

Contrary to popular trends, that is a major tenet of traditional Republicanism. Granted, since 9-11 it has wavered a great deal, but I think it is still there in the majority of opinions.

Texas Wahine

on Nov 10, 2004

You said left leaning moderate

Quote me where I said that . . . I never have.

Plus I am tired of people just going off without looking at both sides in the issue, and DO NOT GIVE ME THE LINE "You don't know because you are an armchair general, blah"

Have I ever given you that line? No, I have not. My husband might have, but he's living in a combat zone and has earned the right to say that.

Two of my closest friends are over there right now in the lovely land of Iraq, not Afghanistan but IRAQ.

Yes, but you and I are not.

You can know no greater evil than absolute good.

Whatever.

Half of what you type is bizarre nonsensical stuff posted under politics or philosophy, so you are right in asserting that I read only half of what you type.

Why must I prove to others what I already know and close friends know about myself? I do not seek your approval of my political, social, religious life from you but yet apparently I should, hmm? Do I always question your allegiance to your allies?

You don't have to prove or justify anything to me. You can ignore me if you so choose. That's your right. I don't know you. What I think doesn't matter.

I will renew battle with thee on the morrow and hopefully by than you can pray tell why thine heart is deadset at tearing my house asunder?

Not trying to tear anything asunder . . . the Libertarian party line is against the war in Iraq. I find it interesting that you seem so supportive of the Bush administration when, according to your party affiliation you should be just as opposed to Bush and his policies are you are to Kerry and the policies he proposed. The discrepancy seems bizarre to me.

I'm not trying to get all up in your Kool-Aid or anything, Grim, but your rhetoric seems to go against your heavily proclaimed party affiliation. It seems as though you are attempting to straddle the fence and be a Republican but then cry Libertarian when it is convenient so that you don't have to take the heat from either side. Why do I care? Hell, I don't know. Maybe my shoes are too tight. Maybe my heart's two times two small. Maybe I woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

Who knows?

When you first came here, I was very impressed with you and even wrote a blog promoting your work. Now you seem to contradict yourself and spread general weirdness around in the guise of wisdom. I guess I am just disappointed. Should that matter to you? Of course not. I'm just practicing a bit of honesty with you here. Take it or leave it or tell me to shove it up my ass if you like.

Grim Xiozan

on Nov 10, 2004

I was not referring to Bush's current presidency, but rather, his upcoming term, as "lame duck". As you may know, this term usually refers to the end of a second term. Because the president at that time cannot be re-elected, he has less political clout and his policies are less likely to be enacted. When I refer to Bush's upcoming second term as a "sitting duck term" I simply mean that current speculation on candidates for 2008 seems to be overshadowing his plans for the next 4 years.

I did not know that "lame duck" referred to a re-elected President and I apologize for misunderstanding you.
I hope there was no harm.

Plinko!!

Grim Xiozan

on Nov 10, 2004

Not trying to tear anything asunder . . . the Libertarian party line is against the war in Iraq

Though not every Libertarian agrees with the party line, just like not every Democrat agrees with the party line, just like every Republican agrees with the Party line, and my view is not the only one held by a single Libertarian, it is also held by my friend Mike who spent six years in the Navy, he als believes as do I that the US should take hard line with others when necessary.

Though the powers that be have let Fallujah run wild for SIX MONTHS, and as such leaves a big question of WHY?

Though according to my party affilition I should think about each policy and just not be flippantly against all policies of an opponent party. After all Republicans are close to the Libertarians Economic agenda and Democrats are close to the Social agenda.

You do know people can think for themselves and do not have to toe the party line, right?

When you first came here, I was very impressed with you and even wrote a blog promoting your work. Now you seem to contradict yourself and spread general weirdness around in the guise of wisdom. I guess I am just disappointed. Should that matter to you? Of course not. I'm just practicing a bit of honesty with you here. Take it or leave it or tell me to shove it up my ass if you like.

Oh you must mean the Doctor Insane Love post and the After 11-2: Mental Warfare, Doctor Insane Love was done n humorous jest and the Mental Warfare was done as an experiment to see if I could replicate the effects of the Principia Discordia or my own brand of mental staining that I could use. Granted it needs to be worked out more but that takes time and practice, the mental warfare article was always apart of myself, seeing as I am an occultist who engages in studies, so I am wierd period. I have always been wierd and will continue to be weird, which some of the weirdness pours over into my fictional writing.

Speaking of that I did mean to post that Argumentative Essay I did for English class a couple of years back, it was on Wicca not being an evil religion. It was geared toward arguing on that basis against misconceptions of the religion.

I have not taken the time to get back to my Fictional writing because I have been in school and writing my arse off. I type at least 2 two-page papers a week for Philosophy class, a couple of four-page papers for Sociology class, and about to work on the third final paper that is 4-5 pages long for Psychology class, as well as I start working on my final Philosophy class paper which will be 4-6 pages long, requires a bibliography, an outline, a thesis, etc. to turned in at their appropriate times.

So, because I have been writing I have been tired of writing posts online, does not mean I will reply, since replies are short they are relatively cheap in the energy expenditure department.
Once I reach Christmas Break after my classes are over I plan to write something about the new ficitional ideas I have even if I must drag myself through it to do so.

Any more questions that need to be answered?

Erik Stebbins-Colón
Grim Xiozan

Texas Wahine

on Nov 10, 2004

Grim:

I guess I was expecting you to be more hardcore Libertarian like Gideon. You make a good point.

Though the powers that be have let Fallujah run wild for SIX MONTHS, and as such leaves a big question of WHY?

I agree that since we're there we should be doing things right. Fallujah is a mess. Kingbee has a couple of excellent articles detailing some of the less reported stuff that's gone down in Fallujah, if you're interested.

I have always been wierd and will continue to be weird, which some of the weirdness pours over into my fictional writing.

I guess that's it . . . I don't generally "get" your humor.

I have not taken the time to get back to my Fictional writing because I have been in school and writing my arse off. I type at least 2 two-page papers a week for Philosophy class, a couple of four-page papers for Sociology class, and about to work on the third final paper that is 4-5 pages long for Psychology class, as well as I start working on my final Philosophy class paper which will be 4-6 pages long, requires a bibliography, an outline, a thesis, etc. to turned in at their appropriate times.

I can understand that completely -- I've been there. I always enjoyed my writing assignments, but I was glad to graduate and remove all that stress!

So, in closing . . . I have been an asshole to you for reasons not well understood by me, and I am hereby apologizing for said asshole-ishness. I don't know what I expected from you or why I did, but when you didn't fit inside the box I had in my mind for you, it irked me. There you have it . . . a genuine Texas Wahine apology.

BTW -- Why do you think I've called myself a moderate? I don't recall ever having said that.

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